Falcon with removable air tube.

Brion

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I told this story at PSF but didn't post photos. Anyway, bought this old unsmoked falcon at Riegles in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Few weeks later I was speaking with a Falcon nut also in Fort Wayne. I was asking about dating the pipe. He said go home and see if it has a removable air tube. He said the early ones had this feature because they planned on selling new replacement tubes. Evidently that never panned out. He said if the stem comes out it could be as early as 1946.

So when I returned home I found that with a very slight twist and pull......it came right out. Obviously not broken. Looks as if it was designed like that.

Anyone have any experience with a similar Falcon? image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg
 

snake

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I’m in serious doubt that
this is factory. I’ll consult
“Back From the Ashes”
and report back.

Specifically, there’s always
been the statement from
Falcon that if you removed
the nylon bit/stem, you
voided the warrantee of the pipe.
 
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blackmouth210

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Can't speak for old Falcons.
But the ones made at least for the last 10 years are not meant to have their air tubes removed.
If you do, you void the warranty.
But...So the warranty is void. So what?
Has anyone ever even used the warranty on a Falcon?
 

Kayro

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I don't have any experience with a Falcon where the entire smoke tube comes out. I do have one where the bit comes out quite easily. I got the pipe before I knew this was not supposed to be done and continued doing it in ignorant bliss when cleaning. Sometimes you get lucky.
 

snake

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Can't speak for old Falcons.
But the ones made at least for the last 10 years are not meant to have their air tubes removed.
If you do, you void the warranty.
But...So the warranty is void. So what?
Has anyone ever even used the warranty on a Falcon?
Regardless, it was designed
to not be removed.
 

Fr_Tom

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Interesting... I have never heard of this, and I have never tried to take one apart because you are not supposed to. I will be interested to hear what the Ankle Biter reports from "Back from the Ashes."
 

snake

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Interesting... I have never heard of this, and I have never tried to take one apart because you are not supposed to. I will be interested to hear what the Ankle Biter reports from "Back from the Ashes."
Well, I’m not one to
follow the rules, as
it were. Mainly just
stating the guidlines
from Falcon in regards
to mouthpiece removal.
If anyone recalls, I did
do this when I made the
Falcon nosewarmer on
the old PSF site. Having said
that, the original design
wasn’t meant to be taken
apart.
 

snake

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Interesting... I have never heard of this, and I have never tried to take one apart because you are not supposed to. I will be interested to hear what the Ankle Biter reports from "Back from the Ashes."
My findings give no
indication that these
“removable” stems
existed from any Falcon
production, or its
subsidiaries.
FWIW
 

blackmouth210

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Well, I’m not one to
follow the rules, as
it were. Mainly just
stating the guidlines
from Falcon in regards
to mouthpiece removal.
If anyone recalls, I did
do this when I made the
Falcon nosewarmer on
the old PSF site. Having said
that, the original design
wasn’t meant to be taken
apart.
So that applies to even the old ones? The OP was informed otherwise.
My Falcons are all from this decade so I know the rule applies to mine.
Just curious because I do see estates out there that are disassembled.
 

snake

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So that applies to even the old ones? The OP was informed otherwise.
My Falcons are all from this decade so I know the rule applies to mine.
Just curious because I do see estates out there that are disassembled.
yes, it applies to even
the Fort Wayne Falcons.
I have had a few of these
early Falcons, and none
were a simple twist the
mouth piece off to replace
the center tube. In addition,
there was never a market for
replacement center tubes in
my exhaustive online searches
for replacement tubes in regards
to this matter.

My honest thoughts are that estate
sales are a mere speculation
that this was a probable solution.
 

Brion

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I did a little research this morning. Found the patent filed for the falcon pipe by inventor K. Bugg in 1947. The patent drawing shows draw tube removed and more importantly, the written description mentions "the bit and tube may be removed and replaced as a unit".
 

leacha

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Snake is right as usual and I'm sorry I'm late to the party.

Falcons are not designed to have removable tubes or bits. The 3 pieces have been and still are press fit into place. Sometimes the tolerances of the tube may be a little small so over time it may become loose. If your a wet smoker and smoke without the filter ring you may get leakage. I've found a little Elmer's glue will create a seal and tighten up the tube and your good to go.

I've exchanged emails with the falcon factory and they are capable of replacing the bit and tube with a new one. The problem is the older US and early British falcons have a different tube than the modern ones so it wouldn't be and ideal solution for collecting.
 

blackmouth210

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I did a little research this morning. Found the patent filed for the falcon pipe by inventor K. Bugg in 1947. The patent drawing shows draw tube removed and more importantly, the written description mentions "the bit and tube may be removed and replaced as a unit".
Very interesting.

Edit: I found the link.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US2581169A/en

And sure enough, if you read the description contained in the patent application, the design in 1947 was for a removable bit and air tube.
The patent was granted in 1952.

So even if none were made to the specs on this patent,I could see the confusion filing this patent would cause all these years later.
IMO there were at least some pipes made to the specs on that patent though.
 
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snake

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The patent was in August of 1945.
Granted, it was in the design, but
I see no evidence that it made it
to the production phase of being
replaced.

My source is “Back From the Ashes”
which was written by Kathy Worth,
granddaughter of G. Hunt, owner
of Falcon pipes since September 1948.