Looking for McClelland copies/clones?

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tfdickson

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As much as I like evoking the name of @tfdickson, and I do…
I do not believe such a shrewd business man such as he is, would be willing to put his a&@ on the line for such a small group of consumers.
Although it would probably take him one phone call to Bill Gates to negotiate the land acquisitions necessary.

You would be surprised. They say “you‘ve got to spend money to make money,” which is true, but the corollary to that aphorism is “you’ve got to lose your arse to get the arse.” @Spillproof speaks the truth, I have shared some of my plans with him. The Syria thing, however, is definitely in the “lose your arse” category- my large scale land acquisition program there 9 or 10 years ago was a spectacular failure and even made the news.
 

blackmouth210

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tfdickson

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Who amongst us hasn’t had an adverse headline in their comings and goings? Even though that deal went south (it went south this way, that way, the other way, and back up again the other way) it taught me a lot. Redundancy is reliability is adaptability. In your doings, things are going to happen. Those things will need to be cleaned up. Late 1960’s full grain leather sourced by General Motors was of uniformly excellent quality and thankfully responded quite well to Saddle Soap.

Syria is obviously a lost cause at this point but St James Parish seems a lot more achievable. Dudes with half inch earlobe washers and Fievel caps captured a farm there, why can’t I?
 

Chico

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Because "actual" pipe tobacco -not including tax dodging RYO companies- makes up about .01% of the global tobacco crop. The profit is in cigarettes, and nobody gives a rats butt if there is sweet red Virginia in their smoke.

Premium Cigar Makers, for the most part, grow and source leaf from themselves and other cigar makers. So they have the skin in the game but they are charging ~$10 per stick. When pipe tobacco hits $50 for a 2oz tin -profit, not tax, mind you, maybe specialty pipe tobacco will return.

But I think we are in the endgame of specialty tobacco.
So it's not the Golden Age of pipe smoking after all?
 

jpberg

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Who amongst us hasn’t had an adverse headline in their comings and goings? Even though that deal went south (it went south this way, that way, the other way, and back up again the other way) it taught me a lot. Redundancy is reliability is adaptability. In your doings, things are going to happen. Those things will need to be cleaned up. Late 1960’s full grain leather sourced by General Motors was of uniformly excellent quality and thankfully responded quite well to Saddle Soap.

Syria is obviously a lost cause at this point but St James Parish seems a lot more achievable. Dudes with half inch earlobe washers and Fievel caps captured a farm there, why can’t I?
I’ll take care of Syria, but I’m not touching Loosyanna with a ten foot pole.
A man has to know his limits.
 
What would it take for producers to grow VA’s at the same level of quality that McC used?
What would be the motivation for a producer to do this or not? And why aren’t they?

I realize the issue isn’t as one dimensional as that cuz the product treatment by McC after they get it from the fields was a major factor.
And that’s just it isn’t it? Their treatment of the leaf is the “secret recipe” part that isn’t likely to be revealed/reproduced/replicated.

But if we just stick with the quality of leaf as the topic… I hear statements like “reds with a high sugar content” and I can’t help but wonder, is that still doable? Is it because it’s not feasible in todays marketplace? My curiosity is driven by my ignorance about the agricultural conditions necessary to produce a VA with high sugar content.

From what I’ve read so far Irrigation/rainfall frequency is an issue. That falls into the “weather conditions” aspect as well as irrigation cost factors.


This article covers soil conditions…
“The main factor affecting tobacco quality is soil properties that supplies most of the nutrients plant need for growing. It has been reported that soil properties, including SOM content, soil nitrogen concentration, soil pH and soil microbes have a synergistic effect on tobacco quality. For instance, the diversity of the bacterial community increased when the concentration of organic matter rose and the increase of microbial diversity and the alter of their distribution in soil can improve tobacco quality.”
I think it's likely that the processing McClelland did is equally as important as the leaf they used. There's no inherent differences between a Virginia used for pipe tobacco vs. Cigar tobacco.
 
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